Thursday, August 18, 2005

Lets keep talkin

Well, we've hit all the fun issues on this blog. How about the Gaza pullout? What do people think about that one?


Blogger Robert said...

I'm for it.

9:04 AM  
Blogger See Jay run said...

I am not sure that a pullout of Gaza will secure the Jewish people from violence. Quite frankly, I don't know the situation and I wish I did, so of course my opinion is ungrounded in anything other than unsupported opinion. With that said, I don't find it likely that Palistinian demands for land will cease, nor will the terrorism. But perhaps Israel will be in a better position to defend its borders without Gaza. And, if indeed the terrorism continues while Israel continues making concessions, perhaps popular opinion, especially in Europe, may swing back behind the Jewish state. The worth of popular opinion, especially that of popular Europe, is not eminently clear however. Nor is the likelihood that Europe will throw its support behind Israeli concerns, regardless of the future behavior of the Palistine state and terrorist groups. It is more likely, to my thinking, that further concessions will only embolden Palistinian demands and European finger-pointing and undermining of the US and Israel. And through the UN apparatus, "Gaza today. Jerusalem and the West Bank tomorrow!"

3:46 PM  
Blogger W. said...

I have mixed views on it. I am leary of actions that are interpreted as rewarding terrorism, which is precisely how this is being explained in the Arabic Middle East.

However, this may prove to be a shrewd move on Sharon's part. I have heard some strong defenses of the pull-out ... from devoted Jewish advocates of Israel's right to exist.

Let's just hope Sharon's calculations (and Bush's) pay off. That land has seen too much terrorism.

8:20 PM  
Blogger See Jay run said...

From one who doesn't know, I would like to hear from those of you who have congent arguments regarding this development.
William, please let me know the arguments you are familiar with.

10:29 AM  
Blogger Robert said...

From what I gather, hanging onto Gaza is simply becoming unrealistic. The broader picture is that, due to the greater population growth of Arabs, they will, in the not-too-distant future, be a large percentage of the population, perhaps even a majority, requiring Israel to either maintain, as some put it, an apartheid state, or give up Palestinian land. As a strategic/political/religious matter, Gaza matters far less than the West Bank. It's true, Israel isn't getting anything for sure in return, but that's not the only consideration. Pulling out potentially changes the terms of negotiation on the West Bank and more broadly (although perhaps not), but also, or in part because, it potentially forces the hand of Palestinians regarding their political leadership (PLO, fatah, hamas, etc), etc. The pull-out also recognizes that providing security to settlers in the Gaza is costly. Israeli voters are fed up with subsidizing the security and livelihood of Gaza settlers. And stretching the army and security apparatus in to Gaza removes resources that might better be spent elsewhere. There's a lot more to the story, obviously, but that's the short of it that I've heard.

11:17 AM  
Blogger See Jay run said...

What are the factors that make the West Bank different than Gaza?
I mean, if the birth-rate of Palistinians has changed the demographic of Gaza, what is going on in the West Bank; how is defending the West Bank different from Gaza, both strategically and monetarily?

2:24 PM  
Blogger Brandon said...

If you're looking for a good primer on the subject, I recommend the Aug. 13-19 issue of The Economist. I got the issue not knowing too much about it, but read a few articles and now feel like a semi-expert.

9:16 AM  
Blogger See Jay run said...

Thank you Brandon.

8:05 AM  

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